tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132625530077482153.post497212623606858072..comments2024-03-15T01:18:17.354-07:00Comments on BeyondOilNYC: Occupy sustainability: the 1% is blocking the transition to a renewable energy economyDan Minerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06007749533419038962noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132625530077482153.post-84628539092931291432012-01-11T00:32:49.351-08:002012-01-11T00:32:49.351-08:00We are living with a hopeful illusion.
Solar and ...We are living with a hopeful illusion.<br /><br />Solar and wind capturing devices are not alternative energy sources. They are extensions of the fossil fuel supply. There is an illusion of looking at the trees and not the forest in the “Renewable” energy world. Not seeing the systems, machineries, fossil fuel uses and environmental assaults that create the devices to capture the sun, wind and biofuels allows myopia and false claims. <br />ERoEI is only a part of the the equation. Each of these processes and machines may only add a miniscule amount of energy to the final component of solar or wind devices. How else would we do it? There is always the old way. Who of us will go down in the mine first?<br />A story in pictures and diagrams:<br />From Machines making machines making machines<br />http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/12/machines-making-machines-making.html<br /><br /><br />Solar and Wind are not renewable. The energy from solar and from wind is of course renewable but the devices used to capture the energy of the sun and wind is not renewable. Nor are they green or sustainable.<br /><br />An oak tree is renewable. A horse is renewable. They reproduce themselves. The human-made equipment used to capture solar energy or wind energy is not renewable. There is considerable fossil fuel energy embedded in this equipment. The many components used in devices to capture solar energy, wind energy, tidal energy and biomass energy – aluminum, glass, copper, rare metals, petroleum in many forms to name a few – are fossil fuel dependent.<br /><br />Wind used by sailing ships and old style “dutch” wind machines is renewable and sustainable.<br />From: Energy in the Real World with pictures of proof.<br />http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/01/energy-in-real-world.htmlJohn Weber https://www.blogger.com/profile/18104568019314685460noreply@blogger.com